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Scarlet Harlot
Digital Drive By
(9/12/01 1:12:21 am)
PPS
I don't think assassination, when first suggested, would have been such a bad option. But hey, bear with me, I'm Irish American. That tends to raise grudge-holding to an art as well as not seeing violence as a resort only when it's too late, in my opinion of my own culture.
PPPS Papa, I agree with you 100%. That, itself, is a truly beautiful thing. There's only one person I've spoken to that hasn't been completely altruistic and concerned...... and go figure, that was my fucking boss of my second job. He just loves disaster and wishes Boston were important enough for something to happen here! "Listen, I can respect wishing for hurricanes, you dumbfuck," I was screaming in horrified laughter, "but you HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME."
Poofygrrrl
Team Captain
(9/12/01 1:27:55 am)
Re: World Trade Center
As you may know, Scarlet, from earlier posts, we have a very large Arab population in the Detroit metropolitan area. Many people seem to think that this is interchangeable with Muslim.
This scares me. I have many acquaintances who are Arab and they are not feeling very secure as Americans at this very moment. This makes me sadder than you can imagine. Somehow the concept of an "American" has taken on a very
Aryan aspect today. Pisses me off to no end.
I just fear for those who may become outsiders for no fault of their own. What is an American at this point anyway?
There are reports that the FAA actually was informed of the threat of the plane that crashed in PA. If the military had to shoot it down in order to save human casualties, is that so horrible? Obviously, yes, but if it saves more lives than those people on the plane, how could you not do it? But how mortified would you be if you were the pilot that shot them down in the name of patriotism?
-poofy
In joy aim pork bicycle- wacky anagram of my name
PapaJimH
Ultra-MEGA-Moon-God
(9/12/01 1:43:19 am)
Re: World Trade Center
But how mortified would you be if you were the pilot that shot them down in the name of patriotism?
I would be heart broken, but it would be the logical thing to do. Much like the (speculated) pilot who crashed the plane outside of Pittsburgh rather than into a building. It couldn't be an easy thing to take 50+ people to a sure death, but by saving other helpless people, it became an act of heroism in the highest order.
Daddy, please come home right now. I'm scared. - Katie
Poofygrrrl
Team Captain
(9/12/01 1:44:00 am)
Re: World Trade Center
BTW, just found out from my parents in the last hour or so that I had two cousins in the building when it was attacked.
They just called to let my aunt know that they were okay.
Thank God. Also am praying for a good friend I used to work with whose sister works in the building. Haven't heard any word about that yet...........
Don't usually pray, but will today.
poofy
In joy aim pork bicycle- wacky anagram of my name
Scarlet Harlot
Digital Drive By
(9/12/01 2:18:43 am)
These planes, they're worrying me
There's been about 4 in the past 20 minutes. Now, normally this might not worry me -- despite the fact that this is a MOST UNUSUAL HOUR for planes to be heading over Boston -- but just now, when they've made such a big deal about basically every English-speaking country having closed their airspace? I freely admit, it's a bit nerve-wracking. They're coming closer together as time goes by. Hello folks, you needn't share everything, but this is shit you cannot hide.
poofy, I'm so glad you got relief on questions you weren't quite yet worrying about (or am I misreading?).
Papa, that's the plane we're talking about. It's a big relief to think that somehow the captain made some big bold sacrifice, it gives you hope in the world... but there's a touch of discrepancy in the coverage. Was that one shot down? Hard to say. SHOULD one have been, given the chance? Fuck yes. Those aboard already doomed, poor, poor bastard souls.
Scarlet Harlot
Digital Drive By
(9/12/01 2:20:12 am)
I can't even have a post hit the board
Before I'm like fuckin Tattoo, "dee plane! dee plane!"
Creepy. I hear you just fine, folks in planes.
DaRube
Resident Beer Guzzler
(9/12/01 6:36:21 am)
Re: I can't even have a post hit the board
Early on in this, when people were only starting to realize the enormity of it, we heard on the TV that there was another hijacked plane headed for the DC area. It didn't take long for several people to say...they'll never make it this far. What we don't know is whether the original pilot was able to struggle with the hijackers and down the plane himself (unlikely), or whether it was shot down by a fighter jet (much more likely). This is perhaps the one time when the latter would be a justifiable action.
I can understand the government's reticence to admit an action which would generate such controversy, but I would encourage them to get over it in a hurry and let the truth be known. There might be alot of heated debate, and it might be uncomfortable for the ones unfortunate enough to have had to make the decision, but, as 2 recent congressional intern affairs have taught us, better to take the heat for something unsavory, than take the heat for withholding information as well.
If this were the case, I would stand with the decision, and encourage those who would criticize it to go lightly. After all, the hijackings and their aftermath were acts of war. War ain't pretty. And shooting down that plane would have been the first action taken by our military in the name of national defense.
Heroes (and statesmen) are people who can make the brave and difficult decisions, and stand up for them. We will need lots of heroes in the weeks ahead. I lament that our society, through its rose-colored view of the world, has made it tough for the heroes to emerge.
---------------------------------------------------
Scarlet, get some sleep (silly girl).
I defy you to stand on the crack in the ice - Arena
Edited by: DaRube at: 9/12/01 6:37:11 am
Rose
Lady of the Lake
(9/12/01 6:46:21 am)
Re: I can't even have a post hit the board
Scarlet my dear, RELAX! The planes you heard were military, I guaranfuckingtee you. You are a major flight path for relief workers heading to NY. Please don't let your nerves get the better of you. I'm sure they're having a party of a time with too many cigarettes. Stop smoking, and have a few drinks. Though I'm sure by now you finally got to sleep.
My own exhausted nerves made me pass out around 10:30 last night. But this also meant that I was wide awake and fretting at 3:30 this morning. A long bath and reading a fiction book kept my mind off things for a short while. The people renting movies had a decent enough idea. Some distraction when things get too much to handle is a very good idea.
Peace,
~Rose~
Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool.
Edited by: Rose
The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla
(9/12/01 9:49:56 am)
Right now...
Tom Bombadil's house seems like a safer place to be than anywhere in America.
And Koggie, I haven't had a chance to respond to your response of my statement of the Dearborn riots. Islamic centers and mosques are housing the Arab community as shelters, and police are defending them to keep all racially motivated retaliations from occuring. Apparently, the riots I reported were OVERreported. The guy's cell phone news was quite exaggerated, but hostilities in east Dearborn did occur. They were disbanded quickly, but that doesn't change my opinion on the subject.
The black community in Detroit living next to the Arab community in Dearborn were reacting with ignorance and emotion, and there were comments that Arabs were 'dancing in the streets' like in Palestine. Whether that is true, I don't know right now.
But as soon as I heard the speculations, and even before I got in the car to go to school, I knew, that Dearborn just became a hot zone for the next few days.
Sorry if you don't like the comment, Koggs, but it's true. Growing up around here, and having many friends in Dearborn and knowing a few Arabs (Ali is one funny muthafucka when you take him to the bars - I hope he and his family are ok) they are gonna be worried about reactions from the Detroit borders. It has happened before. Even the rivals between high schools in the region are worth noting.
- Time is rigidly sequential.
zip dt
LaBrie Wannabe
(9/12/01 10:50:27 am)
Re: 72 hours......
Rushy...
It is my theory but based on solid information...
I know several Armed Services personnel who told me on several occasions that 72 hours is all it takes to organize a massive counterstrike (non-nuclear) once the President gives the order...
He will give that today.....
Read through the lines - they are VERY CLOSE to knowing who did this...
We will see but I would guess we are only days away...
Steve Vai is a guitar GOD.......
Scarlet Harlot
Digital Drive By
(9/12/01 12:01:23 pm)
of course it was a red letter day for smoking, Rose. You knew that. I drank most of a bottle of red wine and when I couldn't physically focus my eyeballs anymore was able to snag a z (can't really say I grabbed em in the multiples).
It really IS an astounding number of planes, though. I know they're okay. But even so, hello, even if circumstances were wildly different I think I'd be anxious for some time at the mere sound of a plane.
I'll keep checkin in...
Webmaster
Koggie
(9/12/01 12:19:43 pm)
Re: did got some hours o sleep
B - I will rephrase my post.
Your choice of words to convey your meaning was poor and could be construed as racist. I have no tolerance for racism.
-Koggie
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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